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    Yet more iPod connectivity questions; Dension Gateway 500 Lite?

    Having recently bought a 2008 X-type, and having used nothing but an iPod for music in my cars for the last eight years now, I'm immensely frustrated by the lack of an Aux-in in the hifi (love the car otherwise - but what were Jaguar doing in late 2008 putting out a car as well equipped as my Sports Premium without an Aux-in?).

    I've trawled through the countless threads on this challenge, which have given me lots of ideas but no confident answer. So please forgive me starting yet another one to see if anyone has any thoughts on the following:

    - The ACM, I've seen mention that this is going to be brought back into production very soon. Does anybody have any further news on this? Likely price??

    - I understand that the ACM is a re-badged Dension Gateway 500. l see these are available; the D2B ones don't actually list compatibility with any Jags, but I've read that the ones listed for Mercedes will work. Can anyone confirm that?

    - For my needs, the Gateway 500 Lite looks a good bet. I already have Bluetooth etc, so I'm really only after iPod connectivity. Does anyone have experience with the 500 Lite?

    - I guess my other option is one of the wired-in FM modulators, which have the benefit of being a lot cheaper. I've seen various possibilities - iConnect, Dension Ice link, iSimple TranzIt. Anyone had a particularly good experience with one of these?

    Or am I overlooking some fantastic solution? (The car has the satnav setup, by the way).

    Thanks for any help!

    Martin

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    I will respond once again on this subject and also provide the link to my earlier comments. Depending on the model iPhone that will effect your decision. I chose the iSimple solution back in 2011 when the aftermarket technologies started making inroads into the "Auto Infotainment" segment. Not much has become available for the iPhone 5 but its on the way -- many iPhone 5 solutions tend to be somewhat problematic with connectivity issues due to the new "lightening port" and hardware/firmware incompatibilities. The TranzIt IS77 with the prior iPhone models does not suffer from this and also charges as well as affords an AUX connector -- for other players or use via the iPhone earphone jack. There is also the RDS USB solution by Audiovox and the Sony XDP-MU110 one that I will be upgrading to sometime this summer -- even though I have been quite pleased with my iSimple solution (XDP-MU110 not only affords a 100% digital solution but a 45W x 4 (17W RMS) amplifier). Good luck with your decision.

    Iphone/ipod in my X Type.

    Audiovox - Driven by DICE Electronics - Universal RDS USB
    Originally develop by: http://www.oemautosound.com/p-665-fm...ce-sirius.aspx

    Sony eSupport - XDP-MU110 - Support
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    Sorry for butting in here. I've tried the Dension FM Ice Link which seems similar to the Tranzit IS77 (Xman you seem very knowledgeable on this, please correct me if i'm wrong) but I found that there was a problem with the radio volume, i.e. i had to crank it right up to hear the radio at a reasonable level with the unit installed. The ipod playback was ok, but for that reason alone I stopped using it. Maybe the IS77 doesn't suffer from that. I'm also interested in the gateway 500 as a solution, but as it emulates the cd changer I would guess that it's not possible for it to share the D2B network where a cd changer is already installed?
    iPod, iPhone and USB car adapter without text display - Gateway Lite

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    Quote Originally Posted by ck_uk View Post
    I'm also interested in the gateway 500 as a solution, but as it emulates the cd changer I would guess that it's not possible for it to share the D2B network where a cd changer is already installed?
    iPod, iPhone and USB car adapter without text display - Gateway Lite
    The standard ACM works with a changer so no reason why this couldn't too.
    MY 09 X-Type 2.2D Sport Premium Saloon 6 Speed Auto DPF in Ultimate Black. Terracleaned(142k),Touch Screen Sat Nav(2012), DAB, 6 disc changer with Bluetooth Phone and IPOD ACM with Jaguar Premium Sound System. Ivory Trim. Piano Black veneer, Electric Sunroof, Xenons and 18" Proteus Alloys. New fuel rail & injectors(144k) & New Turbo(152k)

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    ck_uk,

    Any product that uses FM transmitters (hardwired/wireless) must convert the digital (iPod/iPhone) data to analog and then convert the analog data to a FM signal that gets modulated over the RF transmitter to a set frequency. So yes there is a lot of data loss as a by product of this. The iSimple IS77 has a "gain" switch that will compensate for some of the data loss (volume) but not enough for the liking to an audiophile. Products like the Audiovox Universal RDS USB make use of the FMRDS technology and make use of the same digital signal that's used to provide the text information displays on a RDS ready car stereo. The digital signal is limited in bandwith but its superior to FM modulation. As for the TranzIt IS77, it has no effect on the play of the radio as it has is a ON/OFF switch for the FM modulators -- defaults the stereo system back to factory configuration.
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    Thanks all for the really helpful suggestions.

    Xman2002 - interested in the Audiovox/Dice RDS kit, which I hadn't come across before. Looks like it gives a consistently higher sound quality than the FM wired-in modulators. I'm interested that you're planning on upgrading to the Sony - what's the appeal of that over the Audiovox or a Dension Gateway?

    How difficult do people find the job of self-installation of such kit? The electronic aspects don't bother me (easy enough to follow instructions of what goes where), it's more the challenge of removing and replacing the head unit, and feeding wires through to the glove box or the storage between the seats.

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    Felt, you're quite welcome. To answer your first question about the appeal of the Sony. I purchased it for $8.72 this past Christmas holiday because its being discontinued (remember iPhone changed to the Lightening Port) and I had store credits. Its original priced was $249.99 but Crutchfield is liquidating them for $49.99. Check out the REVIEWS on the Crutchfield site (you may need to register) to read people's take on the product and its installation.

    The Audiovox/DICE Universal RDS USB is less complicated an install than the Sony XDP-MU110. It can be hidden in the glove box or armrest storage compartment and the IR sensor can be mounted perpendicular to the driver at a couple of spots on the dash/console. The Sony affords a Digital Sound Processor (DSP) for the iPod/iPhone and also improves the sound quality for all other media sources -- Radio, CD Player, and has a 45W x 4 (17W RMS) built in amplifier with subwoofer controls. What's needed to simplify its installation is a reverse stereo harness for the X (to avoid splicing into the wiring). I plan to fit it under the front passenger seat and mount the cradle using the cup holder space -- the same as I do now for the iSimple TranzIt IS77.

    METRA 70-9500 HARNESS Into Car Wire Harness;

    Sony XDP-MU110 Digital Link Sound System Factory system upgrade module with cradle for iPhone® or iPod touch® at Crutchfield.com
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